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PostSubject: Clarifications from the resistance. Well me anyways.   Wed Mar 16, 2011 4:47 pm

TO LAMBDA: Read the second paragraph regarding my reason for talking to Scar^T before you decide to delete this. Please consider what is said there, it gives a detailed account one what happened to your youtube channel. The information is everything I have learned is not just from people at TGN but from very many sources, including you. It is the best and most accurate record of that dreadful day you're youtube channel was destroyed.
You can ban me after I create this, but don't delete this, I'm not some back stabbing faggot like hogsy was.
Also, I don't hate you like I said I did lambda, but I don't support your methods either.

Before I start this:
HOW AM I NOT BANNED!? O_o
I'll clarify nearly EVERYTHING here and I'll leave AGNMI for good this time, never to return.
I'm not on either side in this community, I'm 100% neutral here.
Besides, I have a new home now. (No it isn't Facepunch)


~I didn't leak shit:
I know what's being said of me around here, what some of you feel, I'm making this to explain everything from my side of the story.
When I talked with Scar^T, I didn't leak anything, in fact he already knows everything. He does currently have access to agnmi.
How he got access I don't know, but he's had it for a damn long time now from what I heard. But really, WHO THE FUCK told that halfhunter guy I leaked information? I swear to you guys I didn't leak shit nor had intentions to leak anything.

~Why I talked to scar^T and the TRUE story behind Lambda getting hacked way back in the day:
The reason I talked to Scar^T is becuase I wanted to know everything, I wanted to know exactly why Lambda's account got hacked, I'll tell you why. Pawnstick did it, not TGN, but Pawnstick alone. Something happend over at Father Gregori's, some one convinced ol' Greg to hand out this password list he had, that person (I'm not clear on the name) then distributed those passwords to some other people, Pawnstick being one. He saw what Lambda posted regarding TGN's TF2 beta remake thing, he didn't like it, so in an act of over zealous fury he used that password to utterly ruin Lambda's youtube account. Then, like a crusading Templar on a raid, plastered TGNs name on the walls in an act of pure blind devotion. In short, Pawnstick was so proud to be part of TGN, that he attacked Lambda and wanted TGN to take all the credit. And an FYI, Scar^T did NOT approve of that at all.

~Regarding GamHacker:
*sigh* He's just... Well...
GameHacker.
The kid acts then thinks, that fucking stupid thread he made about leaving AGNMI, screwing with the youtube page's layout and throwing nazi signs everywhere, and that thing with Josh. I don't approve of any of that shit, he's a zealot no matter what side he's on and he'll switch sides in the blink of an eye for no reason at all. *facepalm*

~FYI, TGN no longer exists:
AGNMI's name no longer makes sense, TGN no longer exists, every member moved on to MI. You only still see TGN stuff around becuase they're too lazy to take everything down.

~In conclusion:
I'm not taking a single side in the community for these reasons.
-MI used to be bad, and I'm still a tad unsure now about their relationship with the community as a whole.
-AGNMI has become an utter hate group, you guys quit giving a shit about the community, and now you have freaking swastikas everywhere? What's up with that? Why are you doing that? Could you please be nice again? And take those swastikas down, it's freaking me out here man.

It'd be nice to see us all agree to just shut the fuck up and stop arguing like little kids. Can't we all just get along here? MI actually is willing to end this war, in fact they've just started ignoring you guys a while ago becuase they just don't want to fight at all.

I know it sounds like I'm supporting MI in this, but that's becuase I actually know what's going on with them, they've been petty open with me about alot. Maybe they went me to join. I WON'T, not even if then ask nicely.

But here... My old beloved home... I don't even know what the hell's going on anymore... It does sadden me to finally realize we weren't fixing the community, but we are the cause of it's torment.


Well guys, I hope you read ALL of that. And don't dismiss it as shit, I want you guys to understand that this war is bullshit.
YOU NEED TO STOP FIGHTING!


So guys, Kat is out, once and for all.























And one last time I get to do this...

Gordon BM Marine Animal Police Soldier ftw Breen Spider Shrug Guy is Spy lol win hehe Stolen from Love Tub

Oh man that brought back memories. :3

Wellp, see yah guys later, it's been... well I'd say "fun", but that doesn't seem to fit this place anylonger.
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PostSubject: Re: Clarifications from the resistance. Well me anyways.   Wed Mar 16, 2011 7:31 pm

Dont...Dont leave. Please.



















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PostSubject: Re: Clarifications from the resistance. Well me anyways.   Wed Mar 16, 2011 7:57 pm

katatonic717 wrote:
TO LAMBDA: Read the second paragraph regarding my reason for talking to Scar^T before you decide to delete this. Please consider what is said there, it gives a detailed account one what happened to your youtube channel. The information is everything I have learned is not just from people at TGN but from very many sources, including you. It is the best and most accurate record of that dreadful day you're youtube channel was destroyed.
You can ban me after I create this, but don't delete this, I'm not some back stabbing faggot like hogsy was.
Also, I don't hate you like I said I did lambda, but I don't support your methods either.

Before I start this:
HOW AM I NOT BANNED!? O_o
I'll clarify nearly EVERYTHING here and I'll leave AGNMI for good this time, never to return.
I'm not on either side in this community, I'm 100% neutral here.
Besides, I have a new home now. (No it isn't Facepunch)


~I didn't leak shit:
I know what's being said of me around here, what some of you feel, I'm making this to explain everything from my side of the story.
When I talked with Scar^T, I didn't leak anything, in fact he already knows everything. He does currently have access to agnmi.
How he got access I don't know, but he's had it for a damn long time now from what I heard. But really, WHO THE FUCK told that halfhunter guy I leaked information? I swear to you guys I didn't leak shit nor had intentions to leak anything.

~Why I talked to scar^T and the TRUE story behind Lambda getting hacked way back in the day:
The reason I talked to Scar^T is becuase I wanted to know everything, I wanted to know exactly why Lambda's account got hacked, I'll tell you why. Pawnstick did it, not TGN, but Pawnstick alone. Something happend over at Father Gregori's, some one convinced ol' Greg to hand out this password list he had, that person (I'm not clear on the name) then distributed those passwords to some other people, Pawnstick being one. He saw what Lambda posted regarding TGN's TF2 beta remake thing, he didn't like it, so in an act of over zealous fury he used that password to utterly ruin Lambda's youtube account. Then, like a crusading Templar on a raid, plastered TGNs name on the walls in an act of pure blind devotion. In short, Pawnstick was so proud to be part of TGN, that he attacked Lambda and wanted TGN to take all the credit. And an FYI, Scar^T did NOT approve of that at all.

~Regarding GamHacker:
*sigh* He's just... Well...
GameHacker.
The kid acts then thinks, that fucking stupid thread he made about leaving AGNMI, screwing with the youtube page's layout and throwing nazi signs everywhere, and that thing with Josh. I don't approve of any of that shit, he's a zealot no matter what side he's on and he'll switch sides in the blink of an eye for no reason at all. *facepalm*

~FYI, TGN no longer exists:
AGNMI's name no longer makes sense, TGN no longer exists, every member moved on to MI. You only still see TGN stuff around becuase they're too lazy to take everything down.

~In conclusion:
I'm not taking a single side in the community for these reasons.
-MI used to be bad, and I'm still a tad unsure now about their relationship with the community as a whole.
-AGNMI has become an utter hate group, you guys quit giving a shit about the community, and now you have freaking swastikas everywhere? What's up with that? Why are you doing that? Could you please be nice again? And take those swastikas down, it's freaking me out here man.

It'd be nice to see us all agree to just shut the fuck up and stop arguing like little kids. Can't we all just get along here? MI actually is willing to end this war, in fact they've just started ignoring you guys a while ago becuase they just don't want to fight at all.

I know it sounds like I'm supporting MI in this, but that's becuase I actually know what's going on with them, they've been petty open with me about alot. Maybe they went me to join. I WON'T, not even if then ask nicely.

But here... My old beloved home... I don't even know what the hell's going on anymore... It does sadden me to finally realize we weren't fixing the community, but we are the cause of it's torment.


Well guys, I hope you read ALL of that. And don't dismiss it as shit, I want you guys to understand that this war is bullshit.
YOU NEED TO STOP FIGHTING!


So guys, Kat is out, once and for all.























And one last time I get to do this...

Gordon BM Marine Animal Police Soldier ftw Breen Spider Shrug Guy is Spy lol win hehe Stolen from Love Tub

Oh man that brought back memories. :3

Wellp, see yah guys later, it's been... well I'd say "fun", but that doesn't seem to fit this place anylonger.

Even if all of that was true, there are still a few things that don't check out. If ScarT^ really didn't approve of Pawnstick hacking Lambda's account, then why is he still an admin at the Love Tub? No action was taken against him when he hacked Lambda, therefore it doesn't matter if ScarT^ didn't approve of it, Pawnstick committed a crime and has yet to be punished. Not only that, but if MI really wants to end this, they'd stop supporting Hogsy and ScarT^ would give up access to AGNMI. Why would he need it if he's just going to ignore this group? As for us being the rift in the community, that doesn't seem very likely. We were just expressing our distaste for their actions, something we're entitled to. Some people, such as Hogsy, tried to bastardize us for being against them. People liked MI's and TGN's Beta content more, so they just believed everything they said, even though they had some pretty bad attitudes themselves, not to mention a whole sleuthe of hypocrisy, declining and unfinished material, etc. In the end, the main cause for the rift between the community was Pawnstick. He started all this, and he was still in power at TGN and MI after. That being said, if what you're saying really is true, then this group is still justified because there has yet to be any action taken against Pawnstick, even when TGN was still around. ScarT^ didn't approve of it, and that's it. He had yet to take action against Pawnstick, and the only way to end this, from what you're saying, is for him to get his just desserts. Once that is done, the community will finally improve.
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PostSubject: Re: Clarifications from the resistance. Well me anyways.   Wed Mar 16, 2011 9:14 pm

I understand where you're coming from TheDude, well as to why he didn't do anything I don't know honestly.
But in some of Lambda's evedince, Scar^T denied pawnstick ever being in TGN, he didn't want them to be blamed for that mess.
Why else would he deny it? If he truly wanted o start a fight don't you think he'd be all like: "Yeah he did! And he'll do it again too!"
Also Pwnstick was never ever "in power". From my knowledge and what others have told me, he was, and continued to be a tester and not much else.
But Scar^T isn't so bad of a guy, at least not anymore.
When I talked with him he was very polite, very friendly, and he still thought I was in AGNMI at the time as well. If he's willing to talk to an AGNMI member in such a way, and you all regard him and all of MI with such disgust that you wont even utter a kind word to them, then the line between good and evil is extremely blurred here.
Also, just becuase Scar^T still has access here doesn't mean he uses it all the time, according to him he hasn't really cared enough to poke around for quite a while.
Now the hogsy thing, I don't understand why they like him, Scar^T never gave an exact reason. But it seems maybe he's been freinds with the people at MI for a damn long time or something. So it could just be that they're such good friends that they don't want to. Maybe Hogsy is such a suck up that he wont leave them alone and they gave up all attempts to stop him.
Now when I said AGNMI is becoming the bad side, I ment our methods have changed.
We started out with good intentions of a free community, but we seem to be holding every piece of content we find for ourselves. The sole reason why I hated TGN. But TGN is gone, MI is preparing for release soon, so I don't have mush left to hate.

I know I said I was leaving but I want to stay in this topic as long as I can to clarify anything.
If I get banned I'll be on steam as always, any questions can be answered there.
I want to show everybody here that actually BOTH side fucked up here.
TGN did some shit.
AGNMI did some shit.
It's even now.
So can we all just shut our mouths and move on?
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PostSubject: Re: Clarifications from the resistance. Well me anyways.   Wed Mar 16, 2011 9:59 pm

Even if Pawnstick never had anything to do with TGN, he was definitely admin of The Love Tub, and should be stripped of his position in order to truly set things right. Referring back to Hogsy, why was he hacked in the first place? Besides, if he really hasn't been around this site then he doesn't even need access; why own a car if you're not even going to drive it? As for the supposed hoarding, I think it's safe to say that turn-about is fair play; they had no real reason as to why they kept their higher quality content. In the timespan between MI 1.4 and MI 1.5, they only had one new map, and they themselves said they were going to abandon the E3 maps anyway. On top of that, the rooftops map isn't even that good. They preach about using more quality content, but don't even follow their own advice. They ignore other people's hard work and listen to a few suck-ups. As I said before, their content is severely declining in quality and they have yet to show any progress reports on what was actually really good; Where's the OICW? The Headcrab? All those high-poly models that everyone seemed to love. Ironically enough, that didn't actually help them in the end; the Ice Axe physics model is screwed up in 1.5, and the AK-47 has way too many polys; it lags at the start of each animation, and it's the only one that does that. Even the Ice Axe has better optimization. Long story short, they contradicted themselves, they're falling off their game, and justice needs to be served.
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PostSubject: Re: Clarifications from the resistance. Well me anyways.   Thu Mar 17, 2011 10:11 am

Just a note - use multiple, proper paragraphs. It's easier on the eyes. Both of you are writing large bricks of text (although Kat's posts look like they were written using Notepad 1985) and it gets really annoying. I need to scroll down and click shit, which forces me to put the popcorn and soda down.
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PostSubject: Re: Clarifications from the resistance. Well me anyways.   Thu Mar 17, 2011 10:28 am

what movie are you watching?

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PostSubject: Re: Clarifications from the resistance. Well me anyways.   Thu Mar 17, 2011 10:29 am

Read the thread's title.
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PostSubject: Re: Clarifications from the resistance. Well me anyways.   Thu Mar 17, 2011 10:46 am

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PostSubject: Re: Clarifications from the resistance. Well me anyways.   Thu Mar 17, 2011 12:45 pm

Well, The Dude...

First, quit it with hogsy, this isn't about him at all, just forget he even exists for now.

I see what you mean, yes pawnstick should have been punished, but he wasn't.
I'm as confused as you on that one.
Here let me try to ask Scar^T right now.

gbn.ScarT: I've noticed that
gbn.ScarT: There's something that doesn't add up to me though
gbn.ScarT: Why does everything seem to think its my job to "punish" pawnstick Smile?
Katatonic717: well at the time (dunno if its still like this) you were the head of TGN essentialy
Katatonic717: he was a lowly tester
Katatonic717: he did something very bad, got TGN blamed for it all
Katatonic717: and you just shrugged it off
Katatonic717: explain
gbn.ScarT: There is no single leader for GabeN, and there never were
gbn.ScarT: What pawnstick does, tester or not, is no way my responsability
Katatonic717 raises eyebrow
Katatonic717: wait wait
Katatonic717: TGN never had a leader?
Katatonic717: or anything like that
gbn.ScarT: Not a single person that's in charge
Katatonic717: but you STILL were a person of reletive authority
Katatonic717: why didnt you, or anybody, seem to give a crap about what pawnstick did?
gbn.ScarT: Not more than Junk, Andy or Essel
gbn.ScarT: I'm not saying I didn't give a crap about it. If I had known it would result in all this drama, I'd have asked him not to do anything
Katatonic717: yeah, who would have thought that what he did would have cuased all this bullshitery
gbn.ScarT: The reason pawnstick got admin access on the Tub is because he's the one that made our Wordpress and phpBB3 theme
Katatonic717: ah
gbn.ScarT: I'm not going to remove that access. The Tub belongs to MI and doesn't have anything to do with GBN
gbn.ScarT: And GabeN isn't dead. We started working on TF2 again two weeks ago
Katatonic717: woah
Katatonic717: O_o
Katatonic717: damn you guys are freaking quite
Katatonic717: ...you're reading my post at agnmi arn't you? X3
gbn.ScarT: Yeah



As for the fact that they're "falling off their game, and justice needs to be served".
What justice?
They haven't done... ANYTHING. Within the last 7 months, name 3 negative things they have done.
What?
No answer?
I mean the only public activity they do now is an occasional screen-shot of a map or a model. That's it really. I mean Scar^T says that all those cool models and maps along with a new version of MI will come out soon. But I highly doubt that to be honest with you.

What is kinda nice is that they are trying to change relations with the community. I support that, but I wont move over on MI's side until they actually become nice and share some of that sweet content. But I'll still have a part of me that doesn't think it will ever happen. I mean even if I do end up siding with MI, I won't be all douchey about it. If I notice they're going back to their old bullshit again of being assholes and all that, I'll quietly leave the entire leak community for good.
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PostSubject: Re: Clarifications from the resistance. Well me anyways.   Thu Mar 17, 2011 1:25 pm

gbn.ScarT: As for Hogsy
gbn.ScarT: He annoyed me while I was busy playing TF2, trying to make me believe it was someone else. So I took over a bunch of his account (his personal Facebook page, YouTube, email etc.)
Katatonic717: HAH!
gbn.ScarT: Why am I friends with him? I have no explaination for that

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PostSubject: Re: Clarifications from the resistance. Well me anyways.   Thu Mar 17, 2011 3:51 pm

katatonic717 wrote:
Well, The Dude...

First, quit it with hogsy, this isn't about him at all, just forget he even exists for now.

I see what you mean, yes pawnstick should have been punished, but he wasn't.
I'm as confused as you on that one.
Here let me try to ask Scar^T right now.

gbn.ScarT: I've noticed that
gbn.ScarT: There's something that doesn't add up to me though
gbn.ScarT: Why does everything seem to think its my job to "punish" pawnstick Smile?
Katatonic717: well at the time (dunno if its still like this) you were the head of TGN essentialy
Katatonic717: he was a lowly tester
Katatonic717: he did something very bad, got TGN blamed for it all
Katatonic717: and you just shrugged it off
Katatonic717: explain
gbn.ScarT: There is no single leader for GabeN, and there never were
gbn.ScarT: What pawnstick does, tester or not, is no way my responsability
Katatonic717 raises eyebrow
Katatonic717: wait wait
Katatonic717: TGN never had a leader?
Katatonic717: or anything like that
gbn.ScarT: Not a single person that's in charge
Katatonic717: but you STILL were a person of reletive authority
Katatonic717: why didnt you, or anybody, seem to give a crap about what pawnstick did?
gbn.ScarT: Not more than Junk, Andy or Essel
gbn.ScarT: I'm not saying I didn't give a crap about it. If I had known it would result in all this drama, I'd have asked him not to do anything
Katatonic717: yeah, who would have thought that what he did would have cuased all this bullshitery
gbn.ScarT: The reason pawnstick got admin access on the Tub is because he's the one that made our Wordpress and phpBB3 theme
Katatonic717: ah
gbn.ScarT: I'm not going to remove that access. The Tub belongs to MI and doesn't have anything to do with GBN
gbn.ScarT: And GabeN isn't dead. We started working on TF2 again two weeks ago
Katatonic717: woah
Katatonic717: O_o
Katatonic717: damn you guys are freaking quite
Katatonic717: ...you're reading my post at agnmi arn't you? X3
gbn.ScarT: Yeah



As for the fact that they're "falling off their game, and justice needs to be served".
What justice?
They haven't done... ANYTHING. Within the last 7 months, name 3 negative things they have done.
What?
No answer?
I mean the only public activity they do now is an occasional screen-shot of a map or a model. That's it really. I mean Scar^T says that all those cool models and maps along with a new version of MI will come out soon. But I highly doubt that to be honest with you.

What is kinda nice is that they are trying to change relations with the community. I support that, but I wont move over on MI's side until they actually become nice and share some of that sweet content. But I'll still have a part of me that doesn't think it will ever happen. I mean even if I do end up siding with MI, I won't be all douchey about it. If I notice they're going back to their old bullshit again of being assholes and all that, I'll quietly leave the entire leak community for good.

You said that ScarT^ wants to try to change relations with the community. For one thing, he can get rid of Pawnstick, considering he isn't even donig anything right now, and if he is it's nothing that can't be done by anyone else. That's the simplest way to end the drama, and that's also the justice I was talking about. Besides, it's not like anyone else couldn't make a website (slkandy being a good example). Also, what has he done recently? Not only that, but what can possibly be better about letting Pawnstick's actions go unpunished?

Why not give a preview of those maps and models? Just to have more evidence that they really are making updates.

ScarT^ seems to be misinterpreting what I said. I didn't say to get rid of the tub completely, but give administration to someone else. I've seen Pawnstick's attitude, and I think it's safe to say there can be much better admins. If getting rid of the tub is not an option, then just get a different site and make sure he has nothing to do with it. If he was referring to his AGNMI access, then he should definitely give it up, since he has no real reason to keep it anyway.


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PostSubject: Re: Clarifications from the resistance. Well me anyways.   Fri Mar 18, 2011 1:18 pm

Wait a sec, There is no leader?... This makes perfect sense now.
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PostSubject: Re: Clarifications from the resistance. Well me anyways.   Fri Mar 18, 2011 3:58 pm

awesome! back from army and the walls of text scream at me Very Happy

katatonic717 wrote:


HOW AM I NOT BANNED!? O_o

you got your 1 week ban for derailing GH's thread, just like the others

katatonic717 wrote:


I swear to you guys I didn't leak shit nor had intentions to leak anything

i haven't blamed you for leaking anything

katatonic717 wrote:


some one convinced ol' Greg to hand out this password list he had, that person (I'm not clear on the name) then distributed those passwords to some other people, Pawnstick being one.
He saw what Lambda posted regarding TGN's TF2 beta remake thing, he didn't like it, so in an act of over zealous fury he used that password to utterly ruin Lambda's youtube account.
Then, like a crusading Templar on a raid, plastered TGNs name on the walls in an act of pure blind devotion

"that person" is Superturd, and i don't see any reason why Pawndick would rage apeshit over some screenshots of TGN's TF2 Alpha on my channel

the real reason for hacking me was this little conversation between me and DigitalyShame:



yes, your eyes don't trick ya. look at TGN's immature behavior.

FarT lied 2 you with his lame "picture"-explanation Stolen from Love Tub

katatonic717 wrote:


AGNMI's name no longer makes sense

as long as i can't sign into my account it will make sense

katatonic717 wrote:


now you have freaking swastikas everywhere? What's up with that? Why are you doing that?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swastika

katatonic717 wrote:


Could you please be nice again?


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PostSubject: Re: Clarifications from the resistance. Well me anyways.   Fri Mar 18, 2011 6:54 pm

Well lambda, I understand why you are upset with them, you were the victim, you do have every right to be pissed at them.
I can't sway your views and you have provided evidence that makes me question a couple things.

Also I'm damned happy you actually took time to reply and not ignore/block me.
It proves you've gained a pair of balls and I've regained a bit of respect for you.

Wellp everybody.
Right now, this is my official good bye.
It's been real guys.
I'll see you all on the other side, or maybe... just MAYBE something will happen and there will be peace.
But that isn't gonna happen.
For real this time, I won't come back ever again.
Good bye everybody. I hope for the best for these forums and all you guys.

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PostSubject: Re: Clarifications from the resistance. Well me anyways.   Fri Mar 18, 2011 6:58 pm

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PostSubject: Re: Clarifications from the resistance. Well me anyways.   Sat Mar 19, 2011 1:09 am

ok then. What's next?

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PostSubject: Re: Clarifications from the resistance. Well me anyways.   Sat Mar 19, 2011 4:52 am


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PostSubject: Re: Clarifications from the resistance. Well me anyways.   Sat Mar 19, 2011 5:03 am

katatonic717 wrote:


gbn.ScarT: There is no single leader for GabeN, and there never were
gbn.ScarT: What pawnstick does, tester or not, is no way my responsability
Katatonic717 raises eyebrow
Katatonic717: wait wait
Katatonic717: TGN never had a leader?
Katatonic717: or anything like that
gbn.ScarT: Not a single person that's in charge
Katatonic717: but you STILL were a person of reletive authority
Katatonic717: why didnt you, or anybody, seem to give a crap about what pawnstick did?
gbn.ScarT: Not more than Junk, Andy or Essel

poor Blake never was a leader FPM
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PostSubject: Re: Clarifications from the resistance. Well me anyways.   Sat Mar 19, 2011 7:13 am

Could've sworn he was.
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